no. 106 – The Collagen Episode

Should you take collagen? Will it help your skin, joints, and gut health? These are questions many women are asking as collagen supplements pop up on store shelves everywhere. But where there is hype, there isn’t always data to support it. 

Today’s guest — Marie Spano — clears the air on what we do and don’t know about collagen as a daily supplement, including what benefits are real, believed, or simply anecdotal.

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Regan Jones 0:00
If your skin doesn’t know whether to breakout or wrinkle, if you’re caught between planning the third grade class party and researching retirement plans or if you want to work out with the idea of CrossFit makes your 40 Something knees a, you’ve come to the right place. Welcome to This Unmillennial Life.

I’m your host, Regan Jones. And welcome to today’s show. As I told you, in the last couple of episodes, I have a number of different shows ready to release to you that do not have to do with my cancer journey. I really appreciate you staying tuned in if cancer is not something that’s been on your mind, it’s not touched your life. I appreciate you listening to those episodes, one because it is a personal journey that I’m sharing, of course with you about what’s happening in my Unmillennial Life, but perhaps more so because I really believe that a lot of the information that I’m sharing is something that you can be equipped with the knowledge to pass along to someone else, if they are touched by cancer, specifically breast cancer in their lifetime. And the reason I think that’s important is because much like I said in the Rapunzel project episode, there’s no shortage of information out there about breast cancer, per se, but some of the subtle nuances of how my breast cancer journey has been extremely different from that of women. Even 10 years before me maybe 510 1520 years before me, I think it’s really important. And I’ve had this conversation with friends. You know, if you’ve listened to my story, you’ve probably picked up on that cancer has touched my family tremendously. And my mom’s had breast cancer twice. And the journey that she went through is very different than what I went through. And I think that’s important for women to hear, especially, you know, women mid to late 40s like I am, it can feel as if you know automatically what it’s going to be like and look like because you’ve seen it in the not too distant past. But the reality is, as I said to a friend, it’s not your mother’s breast cancer. And so again, one of the things that I want to be able to do with this platform is not rehash, necessarily statistics that you already know or information you already know. But it’s to enlighten you about things that you may not be aware of, because I’ve wasn’t aware of them. Again, the information that I’ve shared with you about the extreme importance of staying on top of self breast exams because mammogram misses about 30% of breast cancers in women who have dense breasts. I hope you heard that message when I first told my breast cancer story, but I’m telling it to you again, as a reminder of how important it is, each month, the week after your period, if you are a pre menopausal woman for you to do a self breast exam so that you know what’s happening with your breasts. I’m telling you, I have friends, fellow cancer patients who are in the same boat of them being the one that found their mass similar to myself, and it not being called a mammogram. So that’s one part. Another part is certainly what I’ve shared with you in the last three episodes, that cold capping and scalp cooling is an option for some women who choose to keep their hair throughout chemo. And that’s something I’ll continue to talk about because frankly, is just a part of the journey that I’m in right now. But there are other things sentinel node biopsies I can’t even remember if I’ve shared that with you all in the past, but a sentinel node biopsy is actually what I had. And it’s very different than what my mother and most women that went before me had in terms of having lymph node removal. And it’s less drastic, I opted for a much less drastic surgical approach overall. And one of the wonderful things that I was afforded was the opportunity to have a sentinel node biopsy. And that’s not something that I’m going to spend any time on today. But I want to talk about it on a future episode. So again, that if you or someone you know and care about is confronted with a breast cancer diagnosis, there’s always going to be fear, there’s always going to be uncertainty and that is normal and that is natural. But the more information that you can be armed with about how things have progressed, and how things most importantly have improved, is the kind of hope that I know personally cancer patients need from the very beginning. Okay, with that, we’ll change gears over to today’s episode and really excited about it. I think it’s one that many people have said they wanted to hear. I frankly was excited to do it. Collagen is something that I used often on for a few different years, not really with any real knowledge about whether or not it worked or not. And so finally I said, Hey, I’ve been doing this. I’ve heard people talk about they they thought it worked for them, but I want to pull someone on To the show that I value their input, especially from a scientific standpoint and that is why I asked my friend and fellow registered dietician Murray spanner to join me today to talk about college and briefly let me tell you a little bit about Murray because while I say we are colleagues and we are both registered dietitians sheep box bar surpasses me in terms of her intense nutrition knowledge. Maria is one of the country’s leading sports nutritionists. She is the consulting major league sports nutritionist for the Atlanta Braves. And she was the sports dietitian for the Atlanta Falcons, Atlanta Hawks, the Atlanta Braves minor leagues, the former Atlanta Thrashers and the black civilians, which if you don’t know what that is, that is an MMA name franchise, even I am a little skeptical of the way to use the terminology there. But anyway, that isn’t long, long list of sports organizations that Marie is the sports nutritionist for but her knowledge doesn’t stop there. She’s a lead author of the textbook nutrition for sport, Exercise and Health. She’s also authored several book chapters on sports performance for the National Strength and Conditioning Association and human kinetics. She’s a regular speaker at conferences, and is also a regular guest on television doing nutrition segments across the country. It is my pleasure and honor to have her on the show today. Murray, thanks so much for joining me.

Unknown Speaker 6:33
Right, I’m so excited to be here and speak with you about college.

Regan Jones 6:35
And well, it’s so good to have you on the show. I can’t believe this being the fifth season of this podcast that this is the first opportunity that I’ve had to interview you, wow, truly are a wealth of knowledge on so many different subjects. And we’ve had, you know, a working friendship for many, many years. So it’s good to have you on the show. This topic of collagen has been one that has been on my radar for a while. And recently I was just having a conversation with a you know, a listener and it came up again. And I thought I’ve got to do this, I’ve got to do the show. And I know exactly who I’m who I need to go to. So that all being said, let’s let’s open it up for everybody like what is collagen.

Speaker 1 7:15
So collagen is one of the main structural components in our body, it’s it’s a part of skin, it’s a part of bone, tendons, ligaments, where it helps resist tension. It’s a, it’s a really interesting program protein, because like you said, it’s become so incredibly popular. It’s something that in the last several years, you know, we hear more about bone broth, and then it led into college and it led into gelatin, etc. But it is a major structural component in our body.

Regan Jones 7:43
And it is, as you say, super popular right now, why why is such the craze? Why a lot of hype around it? You know,

Speaker 1 7:51
I’m not exactly sure I’m trying to I assume it’s because of marketing, you know, part marketing part, like, you know, the bone broth thing came about several years ago. And then there was some research out of California where they looked at collagen with tendons and ligaments. So it kind of went into the sports world and people started looking at it as an avenue for Hey, can this help with, you know, getting a an athlete to return to play. And then of course, when it comes to beauty and cosmeceuticals. That is a huge, huge industry. So anything you know, they call it like beauty from within anything that a company can make that can improve his skin and improve the way somebody looks from the inside out. That’s huge because it’s a relatively not as competitive market as anything you put on your skin. Right?

Regan Jones 8:40
Right. So that being said, I mean, it’s obvious why people would be super interested I mean, you know, any of us that are beginning to go through the aging process no matter what you know, what’s happened in the last year or two we can all appreciate the need want to look a little bit better, and maybe feel a little less achy. But you know the one of the main reasons to have you on the show is to really get the down and dirty on whether or not there really are any health benefits to bone broth for collagen source or what I think is super popular right now adding collagen powder to your coffee, you know any any real health benefits from from and I say health, you know, health benefits from the standpoint of joints, tendons, ligaments, all the things that you mentioned, but then also, you know if there’s anything that you can shed light on, in terms of the beauty from within category, yep.

Speaker 1 9:33
And I’ll actually start from that beauty from within category. So collagen levels do decrease with age we we don’t produce as much collagen and things like exposure to sunlight or UV light, they decrease collagen. We get that sagging skin in our skin. And then as you mentioned also with age, you know people their joints get a little bit more creaky Yeah, a little bit more pain with use over time. So, you know, you got you have a product here that’s Like, Oh, well, it can kill two birds with one stone, right? It might be able to do both of these things or why not take it, it’s not that expensive also, as far as skin goes, the other interesting thing I found, I have a friend who works in injectable, she’s an expert in that she’s a nurse practitioner. And from what I understand all of those injectables, they increase collagen production. So, you know, people are doing different things. And it’s like, well, if I could go to the store at a tiny, tiny fraction of the costs, and consume some collagen, and the research does support collagen for skin health, or potentially plumping up the skin, making it look a little bit younger, maybe a little bit less wrinkles, I I don’t know the exact amount. And I don’t know if research is fully elucidated that, okay, it’s five grams, or seven grams of collagen, but there is some research to support that. Now, when it comes to joint health, college, and also if you take it for a period of time can help decrease some joint pain. So there’s efficacy there. But again, you have to take it for quite a while. But there again, they again, there, there’s few things we can do to really help joint pain, few less costly, less dramatic interventions, aside from strength training and therapy, physical therapy, so it does have some potential there. And when it comes to tendons and ligaments, it’s really interesting, because they studied in engineered ligaments. That was, I believe, it’s UC Santa Barbara, Dr. Keith bar. And they found that when they first of all that those are tissues, tendons, the ligaments vote, but don’t get a lot of blood flow. But when we exercise, and when we pump those, you know, tendons and ligaments, we move them, we have increased blood flow to those tissues. So what they did is they gave collagen about an hour before it takes an hour for the amino acids in collagen to peak in the bloodstream. And so they timed it, where hey, we’re going to exercise right at that peak to deliver blood flow to these tissues. And I found that basically, it the collagen can incorporate into ligaments incorporated into tendons from what they believed. That’s an that’s another story there. But an improved ligament strength better than just doing exercise alone, because we know exercise loading can improve ligaments, strained ligaments being connecting bone to bone, but the addition of collagen helps further improve it. Well. That’s

Regan Jones 12:36
actually really, really good news. And I had never heard that whole part that you went through at the at the last part of that about, you know, the amino acid levels, peaking at one hour, and then thinking about the blood flow increasing. That’s, that’s fascinating. And and good news for people who are looking to collagen for those benefits. Yeah,

Speaker 1 12:59
so my thought is, if you remember, when you exercise, even if you have creaky joints, maybe it makes sense to take it an hour before. And heck, maybe if if you get facials, or you have somebody, you know, massaging your skin, and maybe it makes sense to take an hour before I don’t know, can’t hurt might help.

Regan Jones 13:17
Well, and that was gonna be my next question can’t hurt might help. So I guess that’s the thing. Are there any risks? You know, if you’re gonna go grab a container of collagen powder off the shelf and put it in your coffee? I mean, I do that, to be honest with you. I will like the way it tastes. And I’ve kind of felt like, well, it’s probably not hurting me. But But am I right about that?

Speaker 1 13:38
You’re right. It’s just a protein. So it’s not hurting you at all. You know, there is some question about whether or not other proteins can have the same effect because our body makes collagen without consuming collagen, right? We can make it from other amino acids from, you know, beef, dairy, chicken and all sorts of protein that we consume. So there are some questions and that research has yet to been done to be done. Like, can we just consume regular protein and have the same effects on ligaments and joints. The thing about collagen though, it’s super unique. It’s very high in glycine, hydroxy, proline, hydroxy, lysine, all of these amino acids that kind of make it stand out from other types of proteins. So we don’t we don’t know that glycine, proline, hydroxyproline, particularly glycine. So it’s interesting. I’ll go on a segue here but when I see people going, Oh, you can have vegan collagen. Well, no, you can’t. You can I’ve actually gone through the USDA database and tried to for vegan athlete I had, you know, find something close and I’m like, I just can’t meet these amino acids from food through other foods. So not at all harmful might be helpful. The only thing to note for consumers is it’s not a high quality per Protein doesn’t have. It’s not high in essential amino acids. So it’s not something that you used in route to replace other proteins like whey protein or egg protein or anything like that.

Regan Jones 15:14
Okay, that’s a really good point, because listeners of this podcast, have heard on a previous couple of episodes, the importance of protein in the diet for you know, muscle, muscle sparing as we age, the importance of protein for muscle building when we are strength training. And I think that’s really important to draw out from what you just said, that this is not, you know, replacing if you’ve added a protein smoothie away based protein smoothie, this is not a way to like say, Oh, well, I’d rather just drink coffee instead, and replace your protein that way this would be in addition to your current, you know, protein intake, correct?

Speaker 1 15:54
Absolutely. Yeah, I wouldn’t even counted this protein wouldn’t

Regan Jones 15:58
even counted as protein. Okay, that’s really good to know. I want to clarify something that you said, because just the dietician and me wrote it down and made a little star you said, it’s a standout because of and it was a few different amino acids, but specifically, glycine, what do you mean, it’s a standout? Like in what way it has,

Speaker 1 16:15
it has really high amounts of these particular amino acids, I think voicing might make up about a third of collagen. And then hydroxy, proline Prolene. So it’s very unique, the amino acid structure of collagen, and there’s no there’s no other protein that we know of that has, you know, even a similar structure, I couldn’t even like when I was looking through the USDA database for that athlete, I was just trying to combine two different like vegan proteins, and I couldn’t do it. So it has a unique structure. And so perhaps that’s why when supplemented in the diet, it may, you know, there may be skin benefits, and there may be joint benefits. Because even though we can make collagen, perhaps we just make it, you know, it’s easier to make or better. I’m not sure we’re not sure yet, right. Compared to other types of protein,

Regan Jones 17:12
okay, I get that a little bit of speculation there. But a plausible mechanism by which there may actually be benefit beyond just the protein intake, because it’s a unique mix of amino acids. Whereas, you know, you know, way better than I do that, like, for instance, branched chain amino acids that might be really rich in a way based protein powder, those have a significant influence on muscle mass increase. And so we know that certain amino acids can do sort of different signaling in the body. I hear that you’re saying not definitive, but but maybe a mechanism of action that that would explain why the benefit is there. Is that Is that a fair way to say that

Speaker 1 17:56
100% I always like to think of it I think of amino acids is like a beaded necklace, you know, and and perhaps there are things that you know, are the closure unique or stand out that have different actions in the body, just like you said, Okay, I

Regan Jones 18:09
love that. Any kind of example with a beaded necklace.

Speaker 1 18:15
Yes, there are your prize beads. Yeah, I seen it. hydroxyproline and stuff. Yeah, I like

Regan Jones 18:21
that. And, again, all new information for me, like I did not know any of this. Now there is. And one thing else that I had written down. And I think we’ve clarified that, but just to put a bow on it. We’re not talking about muscle benefits here. Right?

Speaker 1 18:34
Correct. So not muscle benefits, although it’s interesting, because collagen does have a does make a part of muscle tissue. But it’s not the protein that’s going to build or repair muscle tissue. It’s not going to turn on muscle protein synthesis, the building of new proteins within muscle, it’s actually a very poor quality protein. You know, whereas weigh in, and I know you This soy in a, you know, they rank about 100, like a top score if we measure the protein digestibility. And collagen is actually 00. That, again, is because it doesn’t have those essential amino acids that we need to run protein synthesis.

Regan Jones 19:17
Okay, super interesting. What about you didn’t mention gi health. And I do think that when bone broth really started increasing in popularity, at least on some of the food blog sites that I have frequent frequented over the years, gi health was a big one. Have I heard you speculate about that? What are your thoughts about college and for gi health? You

Speaker 1 19:40
know, I’ve seen that as well. And I need to delve more into that myself. But I have seen you know, the people speculate or suggest that, you know, collagen and usually it’s part of a GI health plan, add it to a plan. And part of the reason I haven’t totally looked at that literature is because I have And most of the clients, I have audit, you know, for joint health, etc anyway. So if they, if they’re already on it, you know, maybe they’ll get some of those gi health benefits as well. I don’t know, there’s as much research in that particular area, it’s something I need to look into.

Regan Jones 20:15
Yeah, I feel like that is one of those that’s a little bit more right now anecdotal, where you hear people say, you know, I started putting collagen in my coffee and you know, then they have anecdotal, digestive benefits, which I don’t the older I get, the more I get, like, hey, it’s anecdotal, but it’s working for you. And there’s no real risk there. I’m not who am I to? Who am I to criticize that? Or even question it? You know, same

Speaker 1 20:38
thing? Yeah, I feel I almost feel the same way. I’m like, as long as you’re not harming your

Regan Jones 20:42
soul, right? Go for it. Right, right. Especially if there’s some benefit over here that we pretty, you know, we kind of had some good data around. So we know you’re not just throwing your money down the drain, and hey, you’re seeing another benefit, and then all the better. So that brings me then to really one of the last questions that I have for you, which is, you know, the best forms. I’ve said a couple of different times something about collagen powder in your coffee. That’s how I consume it. But I’ve seen drinks, I’ve seen gummies. You know, of course, you mentioned sort of the Kickstarter for all of this bone broth? Or do you have any insights on the best forms of best types of collagen or how people should get it.

Speaker 1 21:23
So potentially, like hydraulic hydrolyzed collagen may be one of the best forms that we we could potentially use. But honestly, you could use, you can use gelatin, that’s a source of collagen, you could use, you know, collagen peptides. The thing about in gelatin, also known as very is way cheaper, let’s say you go on Amazon and get a bowl thing of gelatin. The thing is, it’s very gummy and chewy, obviously, when you mix it up. And I should also note that for collagen synthesis in the body, we need vitamin C, we need vitamin C in our diet. And I know people go oh, I eat this, I eat that. But as you know, vitamin D, is degraded pretty quickly upon exposure to heat and light. So let’s say you’re you grab, you know, the already cut bell peppers from the grocery store and you put them in your SuperSU or something, you know how much vitamin C does that have? I don’t know, they’ve been sitting out exposed to heat and light. But you do need some vitamin C. So something like a gelatin that’s cooked. Even if you have vitamin C in there, the vitamin C is going to be degraded. But you know, a note to include, you know, citrus fruits or high sources of vitamin C in your diet. So collagen can actually, you know, be used to build collagen in the body.

Regan Jones 22:42
Very good clarifying point did not know that as well. So yeah, I told listeners at the beginning of the show that you would be a tremendous source of knowledge you always are. Okay, so that all being said, you know, I’m only as good as the questions that I think of but here now, at the end of this, are there any questions that I haven’t asked you that you think people need to be aware of in terms of collagen?

Speaker 1 23:03
You know, I think I think we’ve covered almost everything, like I said, you can we we don’t know, you know, there might be slight differences in you know, different forms of collagen. But again, you can use gelatin, make sure that you have vitamin C in your diet, I don’t like an overabundance of vitamin C, because if you’re training and trying to build muscle that can actually interfere with that process. So I don’t like to see people on, you know, 1000 milligrams or something and vitamin C a day, cut that down, cut it into half or a quarter. But you know, it might work. It’s totally safe. And it’s really not that expensive. So if you’re interested in joint health, take it every single day, I liked the way you take it in your coffee because it’s a you know, it’s habitual, like you take it at the same time, you’re not going to forget that’s the biggest problem I find with supplements. Yeah. But give it a shot if you want, you know, potentially better skin joint health and stronger ligaments and healthier tendons

Regan Jones 23:59
very good and empowering for those of us who’ve been doing it sort of blindly in the hope that like well, maybe there’s some benefit here. Not really. You know, I did think of one one last thing, just want to clarify. So I know that a lot of the work that you do are with athletes, but they are in that, you know, young adult area. What about teens, just thinking through teen athletes, their joint and ligament health, okay to sneak some collagen into maybe they’re smooth, they’re doing?

Speaker 1 24:27
Absolutely, in fact, I think that’s a great idea because maybe there’s even better benefit with growing we don’t know, but I think it’s a fantastic idea. And also a good idea potentially for bone broth. You know, bone broth to me serves a couple of different purposes. First of all, you get the collagen, but then also you get a source of hydration. And since we know you know half of people walk around dehydrated every day, it’s it’s hydration, It’ll warm you up in the winter time. So yeah, I would definitely give it to teenage athletes. I know you have A

Regan Jones 25:00
couple of your house at least have Yeah, definitely have one. And he was complaining actually yesterday about a little ankle thing that’s been bothering him. And so now my, my wheels are spinning and I’m thinking, you know, we are going through some pretty serious growth spurts and a lot of activity. And, you know, we think about things. We think about things like omega threes, I’ve had an episode about kids and concussion, we think about creatine, we think about, you know, protein and NF energy, but I hadn’t really thought about collagen for him. So that is a very, very good tip from you. Well, Maria, thank you so much. Before you go, I want to make sure that people know how to connect with you and follow you online. Even though listeners have heard me say that I have pulled away from social media, some and I especially pulled away from Instagram, I gotta tell you, Marie has one of those Instagram accounts that if you follow her, you won’t be disappointed. She has poured so much knowledge and information into her instant Instagram account over the last few years. It’s just exploded with followers. And I know that is because she puts the work in to make it a very, very informative place for people to get quality nutrition information. So, Marie, let people know how they can find you.

Speaker 1 26:12
thank you first for saying that, because it does take a good bit and social media takes a long time. And I do try to break down the science and application. So it’s pretty easy. It’s my name Marie span. No. I think that’s all of my social media accounts. I’m getting back on Twitter lately, but Instagram and Twitter are the two that I primarily post on.

Regan Jones 26:36
Wonderful. All right, well, I will be sure as I do with every episode, to place a link to Murray social media accounts in the show notes so that you can easily begin following her today. Marie, thank you so much for joining me, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 26:50
Thanks for having me. I’ve loved the discussion. I love how much information you convey to your readers and give them those practical tips so that they can live a healthier and better life.

Regan Jones 27:01
Okay, that wraps up my interview with Marie, I will place a link to the collagen that I use in my coffee in the shownotes. As a reminder, I often place anything that I recommend here on the show that something that I use personally, I place that in my Amazon shop on Amazon. And if you are not sure how to find that, just go to This Unmillennial Life.com and look for the shop menu button at the very top and you will find that you can go to two places. From there, you can either go to the fan shop where you can buy This Unmillennial Life merch in merch that in general is appealing to Gen Xers, it doesn’t even necessarily have to have This Unmillennial Life logo on it. There’s a bunch of fun cool T shirts up there. But I think that you will like but perhaps most importantly for our discussion today, you will find a link to my Amazon shop and in the Amazon shop you will find different pockets of things that I have purchased off Amazon that are meaningful to me are useful to me from the supplements that I take to some of the foods that I specifically buy off of Amazon that maybe are a little bit more obscure and harder to find in my normal supermarket, some of the health and fitness items. And there’s even an increasingly growing area called oncology aesthetics. And so that is where I’m putting things that we you know, were recommended to me just sort of in this quest to find beauty beyond breast cancer. And so those are up there as well. So take a look at that you’ll find a link to that in the show notes. But again, you can always go to This Unmillennial Life/shop. Okay, I’m going to take a quick break. But come back, I want to talk to you about something that I discovered through a friend that really does have to do with oncology aesthetics specifically for me, but it could apply to you as well. It’s certainly not cancer specific. As a matter of fact, a number of my friends ordered the same thing for either Christmas gifts for themselves this year or for their daughters, and I want to tell you about it in the odds and ends ending of today’s show.

Welcome back, okay, as I said here, the odds and ends ending I’m actually going to tell you about a service that I learned about, hmm. Probably somewhere between going through chemo and starting radiation which it can be a time of maybe not feeling your your most beautiful. To be totally honest with you. I learned about it from a friend Sally who you’ve heard here on the show a number of different times, and you’re gonna hear Sally again, she has so much good information that she shares with readers at real mom nutrition. And I’m one of her biggest fans as a fan of Real Mom Nutrition that when she has something new to share, I want to you know, learn more about it. And so you’ll hear her in an upcoming episode about meal planning. But what she had shared with me, I believe, this summer and my memory is a little fuzzy on the timing, but I believe it was the summer again sometime between maybe chemo and radiation was that she had consulted with this particular company who did a color analysis on her. And when I first hit heard it, as you may be feeling I have this this reminiscent feeling of back in the 80s when people used to do something, I think it was called like color me beautiful or something. And I had some general ideas of what I thought my good coloring was just in name only, but not really a great grasp on what were those actual colors. And so as Sally and I talked about it a little bit more. Actually, one day she showed me on Marco Polo, as she was getting ready to go into a store and do a little bit of shopping, she had this cool little laminated card and had all these colored dots on it. And she said, you know, this is one of the things that color guru gives you as a part of the package that she had purchased for, you know, her color consultation, so to speak. And she says fabulous, you just take this little card in with you when you go shopping, and then you go in and you’re looking for these particular colors and that that really sort of piqued my interest because to be totally honest with you, I usually don’t like shopping for clothing at all. Anybody who’s known me for any length of time knows that for the most part my wardrobe has always been black and gray. That was the extent of it a lot of that is because I just really have never enjoyed going in and picking out different colors and and have always found that to be you know, quite a challenge and, and certainly one of the challenges that I’ve seen is I would go in stores and see what was hot for that season. And as I get older and older some of them look at those colors ago but I don’t really like that very much. So anyway, I saw that Sally told me about putting a copy of it on her phone so that even if she’s out shopping just sort of last minute not really thinking through clothing and she wants some inspiration for colors that she knows look great on her. She pulls up her color group guru swatch so somewhat on a whim I think on a Friday evening, I decided to look into color guru and I purchased it for myself. And it was really cool because all you have to do is when you sign up for whatever package that you want, you upload some different photos of yourself I think at the time maybe it was six different photos and you’re looking at you these are all different photos and different types of outfits and natural sunlight and you know, I just had an assortment of photos that I uploaded and they sent me back in a few days. My my Color Scheme my color palette. And it was amazing because to be honest with you, I’ve been doing a lot of stuff wrong. Number one on the loose Black is not one of my colors and I have been wearing black up against my face for so long. But it was really cool because I immediately started changing some of the clothing that I was wearing. And that’s not to say that I don’t still wear black, the color will you learn more about this if you go through this color guru process, but more of it really is about what are you putting right up against your face, what makes your eyes sparkle, what makes your eyes pop, what makes your color just lift what just makes you brighten up. And black is not one of those colors. So you know where I may still be wearing black pants or a black jacket when I’ve got something up against my skin and my face. I’m opting for things that are on my color guru palette. It also educated me that I am a crisp white person rather than you know a cream person. So that was really good insight. The palette that I was assigned was sunlit summer, no moonlit summer. I think Sally was a sunlit summer here. I’m doing this on the fly and almost forgot. So I’m a moonlit summer. So some beautiful shades of pink. My power color is cornflower blue. Charcoal is a better choice for me than Black is. And these are all things that I learned through this color guru process. What’s interesting about it is I did this, and as I said, started changing some of the things that I was wearing. And I almost immediately started getting compliments from my friends that I’m Marco Polo with, you’ve heard me talk about since the pandemic started back in 2020, that Marco Polo has just become an invaluable part of staying connected with my friends who don’t live near me. And they immediately started sort of noticing like, hey, that that pink sweater looks really good on you. And so I was able to say, well, you know, this is why I’m changing up what I’m wearing. And at least I think three of my friends purchased either purchase color guru for themselves, or had someone in their family purchase it for them for Christmas presents or they’ve purchased it for $1. And we have all equally been very excited about it. The one of the reasons that I want to make sure that I tell you about it rather than you hearing about it from somebody else is I have a discount for you. If you’re interested in doing color guru for yourself, you can simply use the code Regan, R E, G, A n at color guru, your color guru.com. Let me say that again, the code Regan R e, g a n at you can use it at the site your color guru.com to sign up for a 10% discount on any of their packages, I will of course place a link in the show notes to color guru, which is your color guru.com. And place a reminder there that the code is Regan, I’m going to try to start switching over when I have codes to offer you all for discounts, which I hope to be able to secure more and more for you in the future. I just think that’s a really important part of being able to provide information to you is also to be able to kind of twist somebody’s arm and get a discount for you whenever I can. Because we could all use a break on expenses these days. I’m certain of that. But I’m trying to switch over to using Regan rather than Unmillennial because honestly, unmillennial is just a difficult word for a lot of people to spell. And I have embraced that and understand that it’s easier to say than it is to spell. So I hope you will let me know if you have any questions about color guru. Or if you want to see some of the colors that I’m seeing from them are good for me. I couldn’t have picked this out if I had had to go through, you know, a list and look at a number of different palettes. And I’ve seen the different palettes from my friends. And there’s no way that I even at 47 years of age having you know dressed myself for years and years and years, could have really ever looked at my particular color palette and done as good of a job as they did. They really truly are the experts because I tend to gravitate, I think a little bit more towards darker, deeper, richer colors. But I actually look better in muted softer colors, which is very, very interesting. And I have just been again, very, very pleased with the difference that it’s made hand a big bonus is what I guess essentially Sally was getting to when she was showing me her color palette on Marco Polo, the big benefit has been that now when I go into a clothing store, you can just kind of look at my color palette and scan and see is there anything in here in this particular color palette that I’m interested in and then if there’s not an walk out, I don’t have to end up buying something that I don’t really want and something that’s not going to look that great on me. I’ll even tell you another little anecdote We’ll story and then I’ll let you go for the day. Because I know this has been a long one. But Sally and I, after I did this color, Guru experience, we passed some picture back and forth. It was one of those things where something popped up and it said, Hey, four years ago today, this is what you were doing. And it happened to be a conference that Sally and I both were at. And Sally is dressed in red, which I think is her power colors. Definitely one of her colors, but I’m pretty sure it’s her power color. And I was dressed in a dress I have right now it’s royal blue and black. And it’s cute dress, but she is lit up and she sparkles in the picture and I look okay.

And it was very obvious when we looked at I’m like, that’s not my color. Those are not my colors. So anyway, if you are looking to you know, again, kind of just freshen up your look and you need a little lift. I really do think color Guru is a wonderful, wonderful way to do that. And I hope that if you go to your color guru.com You will use the code Regan at checkout to get yourself a discount. Okay, with that, I want to thank you for tuning in today for listening, downloading, subscribing, and as always for sharing with a friend. While I am not on social media to the level that I used to be the This Unmillennial Life Facebook group is still open and available and I am posting new episodes in there as they break. You can join to be notified or see any of the discussions that are happening there. You also can be sure to be notified for any new episodes of the podcast by going to this This Unmillennial Life.com/subscribe. Again, that’s This Unmillennial Life.com/subscribe I send out a notification with every new episode and also anytime something new is posted on the website like any of the guides that I’m posting for, you know things like gifts to give newly diagnosed cancer patients or just new recipes that I’m sharing with my family and friends. That’s it for today. Hope you have a great week.


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