no. 121 – The Ozempic Episode
You may have heard that your favorite celebrity lost a ton of weight taking Ozempic… or perhaps it was your neighbor down the street. But is Ozempic a safe choice for weight loss? And does the weight stay off, long-term?
SHOW NOTES
LINKS mentioned in the episode:
The Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals and Obesity Episode
The Continuous Glucose Monitor Episode
Dr. Sadyk Fayz at Beso Aesthetics
“Lean mass loss on GLP-1 receptor agonists: a downside of the “miracle drugs” by Peter Attia
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Odds & Ends Links
The societal role of meat—what the science says – Animal Frontiers
Press Release on Animal Frontiers study
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PODCAST EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
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Podcast Intro
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Episode Intro
I’m your host, Regan Jones and welcome to today’s show. So sometimes when I produce an episode, I wonder and I’m producing this at a time where everybody seems to already know about this topic. And nowhere is that more true than on the topic of ozempic. Now first of all, ozempic is the name of this particular episode for ease of labeling. But really what we’re going to be talking about in this episode is this classification of drugs that go along with those Olympic and they’re called GLP. One agonists and I’m going to get a deep dig deep into the science of how these drugs work to help with type two diabetes, and specifically for the purposes of this episode, how they aid in weight loss. But let’s just all agree that when we say as Olympic, we’re really talking about this classification of drugs, it seems to me anecdotally that as limbic was out there. First, you were hearing people taking it, you were hearing about it in Hollywood. But really, when you pull back a little bit, we’re talking about ozempic, we go V and Manjaro. And I think that there is a fourth drug, I don’t know the name, you may feel free to reach out if you do a fourth drug that’s also in this classification of drugs, an injectable that’s going to be approved and specifically approved for weight loss. And that’s an important distinction. While ozempic and Manjaro, I believe are both being used off label for weight loss, we go v is the only one that is actually technically FDA approved for weight loss. Okay, so having gotten all of that, I guess, administration out of the way of labels and classifications. Let’s set up this episode a little bit. So in this episode, I am interviewing Dr. Sadyk Fayz from Beso Aesthetics and you’re going to hear him talk about where their clinic is in New York City. But the thing that I want to add here to start off the episode, and I really appreciate Dr. Fayz’ expertise, and I appreciate his willingness to come on the show and be interviewed about this topic is that there is something or some things that are said within the context of the conversation about people living with obesity, that I as a dietitian, want to acknowledge that there are dissenting opinions, I guess that’s the best way to put it. And if you’ve listened to this podcast for any length of time, you may be familiar with some of those dissenting opinions when it comes to the topic of obesity. And where I’m going with this and I really think this is important to acknowledge as we jump into this episode, which really is all about drugs to treat obesity, or that are being used to treat obesity is that there is an has always been a prevailing notion that obesity is mostly a function of someone’s inability to eat right and exercise enough. And while I do think that there is some truth to that For some people in some aspects of their overweight or obesity, I also have come to appreciate over the years that that is a touch of an oversimplification in that obesity is multifactorial. Obesity has a genetic component. Obesity certainly has a microbiome component, we’ve learned that I did an episode on endocrine disruptors that can also affect people living with obesity. I will place a link in the show notes. If you haven’t listened to that episode, I highly encourage you to do so. So I acknowledge that because I’m a dietician. Unlike some dietitians these days, that I still fall into the camp of acknowledging that obesity carries with it real and significant health issues and health concerns. I don’t, however, want to perpetuate the notion that solving obesity is as simple as you need to eat less, and you need to exercise more. That is a message that I see frequently on social media, I have probably set it myself in time, I understand where it comes from. But having gotten to this point in my career, and my life, and my education and my experience and my dealings with people, and they’re just the knowledge that I’ve gained, I’ve just really realized that it’s more complex than that. And that really should not be an excuse for people to eat poorly and be sedentary. But it also is meant to acknowledge especially if you are someone who has lived your life, struggling with obesity, it is meant to acknowledge that there likely is more going on than just simply you don’t eat right, and you don’t exercise enough. Okay, so that all being said, and this is a long lead, and I apologize is somewhat that I’m giving as much of a lead in as I am. But I guess on a topic like this, being a dietitian and being a dietitian, who has somewhat always been in the weight loss and healthy weight category of nutrition, I guess I have a lot more to say about it than I do some of my episodes. The other thing that I want to do is give a little bit of a preemptive conversation about this classification of drugs from other dieticians that I’ve spoken with. And specifically, I reached out to a registered dietician, who was a person living with diabetes. And she actually has insulin-dependent type one diabetes. So her perspective on diabetes sometimes is a little bit more in that camp, which this is not a drug for people living with type one diabetes, it is a drug for type two diabetes, that was its original development. And again, we are in this episode talking about it from a weight loss standpoint. But I did want to reach out to her and see what her perspective was because she was actually the dietician, that was kind enough, when I did the continuous glucose monitoring episode, we’ll place a link in the show notes for that one, if you haven’t listened to that, to give me her perspective on how she feels as a dietitian, working with people who have diabetes, and she also has diabetes herself, how she feels about people who don’t have diabetes, using these continuous glucose monitors. And it reminded me when we when we spoke that time that people who are in the category of health or disease, however you want to classify that they have a perspective that those of us who don’t have that disease, we don’t have that perspective, we’re not living, you know, that life. And I think it’s really good to be able to, to see it from both sides. There are things about it, I don’t necessarily agree with her on the use of continuous glucose monitors. For people who don’t have diabetes, I do think that for certain people that can be very, very educational. So you know, we don’t necessarily 100% Line up on that, but I want to hear her perspective, to see what I may be missing. And a side note, I think that’s something we all could do more of in this country is be more willing to listen to the other side of the story and the other opinions that are out there, even if we disagree. Okay. That being said, when I reached out to her the things that she pointed out and I thought I would share with you is that her concern is that because these medical medications are being used so frequently, reportedly in Hollywood, it has glamorized their use, and that anytime we are using a prescription medication, especially one is expensive and costly as this classification of drugs, we need to be mindful that the use of it can be helpful can be therapeutic, but it’s not something to be taken lightly or glamorized. I thought that was a really good point. She also pointed out that because of the glamorization it has in time put a tight supply on this classification of drugs for people to get it at their pharmacies. And I’ve heard that from people who are taking it for weight loss, people who are taking it for blood glucose control issues, that there’s been some some real concern about that. And, you know, that’s something that we’ve learned over the last few years that supply chains and supply issues can be tough. tightened pretty quickly in ways that we didn’t really realize. I think that some of that is resolving. But I did want to point that out. And then I think that the only other thing that she added, and I think I’ve I actually gathered this from some other dieticians, when I just sort of soft sounded that I was gonna be working on this episode was the perspective. And here’s where, you know, depending on how you feel about this classification of drugs, you this may rub you the wrong way. And I acknowledge that I don’t ever want to offend anybody. But as I said just a few minutes ago, I think it’s important to listen to a lot of different opinions and to thoughtfully consider what people are saying, even when we disagree with them. Her perspective was that this classification of drugs can be very effective to help people who have a significant amount of weight to lose, and for whom other methods have really failed. And so I think what I’m hearing from her and other dieticians is that the notion is that these drugs can be very, very helpful in many, many ways. But what you’re gonna hear about in this episode is they are not without side effect. And while my guest today points to the safety that he has seen in his practice, I think we also have to acknowledge that the safety is not long term database. In other words, you know, we acknowledge that you can do a trial for something for six months to a year. And that doesn’t necessarily show you that 10 years worth of usage is as safe, we simply don’t know, until that period of time has passed, what the long term safety is for this classification of drugs or other drugs. And that’s really just common sense when you think about it. So you know, that’s just certainly something to consider the last thing that I want to share before we jump into the episode, this is almost like two episodes in one all of my conversation, and then my conversation with Dr. Fayz coming up. The other thing that I want to add is something that I actually gathered from Peter Attia, you may have heard of Peter Attia, he is sometimes a controversial physician for some people. He’s in the longevity space. And I don’t necessarily follow everything that he says to the letter, but I did see an interview where he was being interviewed about this classification of drugs, and one of the things that he pointed out, and here’s where I’m going with this. And I think this is important for everyone to realize whether you’re on this medical medication, or considering it is that, in studies, when they’ve looked at the weight loss that people experience through this classification of drugs, it’s not 100% fat loss. And it’s honestly not surprising. There are very few if any weight loss interventions that we can do, where we see 100% Fat Loss, that’s just not how weight loss works. Where there is difference in the nutrition and fitness community in and in studies like this is how much of it is fat loss or fat loss versus lean mass and lean mass is your muscle mass, obviously, mostly, so what we want to see when we make an intervention to help people lose fat, which can be inflammatory, especially the fat in our midsection, that first 10% of weight that we lose when we lose weight, that’s, you know, sort of the most beneficial way to lose. Anytime we start losing weight, we lose a portion of it as fat, but we lose a portion of it as lean mass. And so I am drawing that to your attention. Because that really dovetails with what we’ve talked about on this podcast now for years, which is the importance of maintaining protein intake, especially in a caloric deficit and lifting weights, especially in a caloric deficit. As women, as we age to try and preserve that muscle mass, I’m not going to go into a lot of the studies about you know, the percentages of how much was fat loss and how much was, you know, lean muscle loss. But I want to put that on your radar. So that if you are someone that you know, is interested in this classification of drugs, or is currently taking this classification of drugs and you are seeing a significant amount of weight loss, I just want to put it out on the table that you should know that realistically, some of that is lean muscle that you’re losing. And it truly is in your best interest to do everything that you can to try to preserve that lean muscle while you are losing fat. To that end. It is also and this will be talked about in the interview in your best interest to do the very best that you can to develop during this process of taking this drugs, healthy eating habits, healthy exercise habits. A lot of people will say I just need something to kickstart it or I just need something to get me there and then I will change. And I really think that what we know from a behavior standpoint is that it’s usually not that some goal to lose a bunch of weight and then decide that you’re gonna change your eating habits, changing your eating habits is not super easy. That’s why dietitians have careers, that’s why we are able to do what we do. And so a lot of times it takes, you know, really kind of working on that sharpening the saw refining that process to improve eating habits, improve exercise habits, and that this is an opinion here, that more than likely, the people who will be most successful long term are the ones who can take this classification of drugs lose some of the weight that they need to lose, and at the same time, make some changes in their life positive changes, that once they come off of these drugs, will be the changes that kind of help them preserve and keep that beneficial weight loss. Okay, if you want to just turn the episode off right now, I would not blame you, because that’s such a long lead in for me, but I hope that you’ll stick around and listen to my interview with Dr. Fayz. And of course, stick around for the odds and ends ending of today’s show, I want to tell you about an important new consensus that might just give you the permission to eat a food that you’ve been wanting to eat for a while. Okay, so a lot of food nutrition taught today. Here we go. Dr. Fayz, welcome to today’s show.
Dr. Fayz 16:17
Thank you so much. It’s my pleasure.
Regan Jones 16:18
Well, I appreciate you joining me this is a topic that I’ve had on my mind for a while. So I’m so excited when I got the opportunity to interview you about ozempic. It’s something that women have asked me about as a registered dietician, I think a lot of people think that I have expertise in it. And I actually don’t, and that’s why you’re here today. So unpack for us first, what ozempic is, and you know, kind of give us some insights into this class of drugs that are now being used for weight loss
Dr. Fayz 16:47
was that because that type of a GLP, one agonist, very similar to mine journal was built, which is also a GLP, one agonist that performs many functions in the body, which helps stimulate weight loss years, they’ve patented and FDA approved it for diabetes. And then they’ve noticed that if you take ozempic at higher doses, it actually makes them lose weight. So they banded as we go V. The purpose of a GLP one agonist is to I guess it’s a long story short, makes your body utilize insulin better. So first and foremost, your body needs to have insulin. So if you are a diabetic type one, you don’t qualify. In the presence of sugar, once insulin is released, it immediately goes to work. So GLP one kind of helps polish, that process slows down your digestion, it’s cardioprotective, it makes the liver break down fat, and be utilized by the muscles. But in doing so the muscles have to ask for that extra boost of energy. So if you’re not exercising, eating properly, if you’re not working out, this medicine may not work or even if it does work, whatever weight is lost may come back if the habits change.
Regan Jones 18:08
Okay, that’s good clarification. Alright, so you’ve you’ve listed a few of the pros there on pack for me any additional pros and what the cons are of ozempic? Or this classification of GLP? One agonists?
Dr. Fayz 18:23
Absolutely. So being overweight is an issue that has many branches. A lot of patients that are overweight, they’re also either have blood pressure issues, or some kind of some element of anxiety or depression, or not performing well in intimate life. So if we get that under control, you’re solving and avoiding a lot of issues to begin with. Now, the downside of taking ozempic is first and foremost. Nausea, vomiting, gi type symptoms, headaches,
Regan Jones 19:00
how common are those those side effects? Do you see those a lot in your practice nausea, vomiting, headaches,
Dr. Fayz 19:06
I would say three out of 10 page two to three out of 10 and maybe 25 to 30% of patients in my practice, have nausea like symptoms. I mean, it’s not debilitating nos, nausea, but it’s nausea, nevertheless, so I give him a prescription for nausea medicine, and they always carry that in their bag with him.
Regan Jones 19:28
Okay, are there other cons, any long term or even short term health risks associate associated with the drug and this classification of drugs?
Dr. Fayz 19:38
Um, no, not to my knowledge, it’s safe. I have patients that have been using it for three months. I have patients that have been on it for six months of patients that had been on it for over a year.
Regan Jones 19:50
And you mentioned at the very beginning when we first started talking, you mentioned something about you know, if you don’t eat right and exercise and give your Are your muscles a sort of a stimulus to use some of that energy that’s being produced? That maybe the drug wouldn’t be as effective? And there also would be weight regain? Can you talk about weight regain specifically?
Dr. Fayz 20:14
Absolutely. Well, here’s the thing. When patients start on ozempic, they can’t be on it for a very long time. First of all, it’s pricey. Second of all, they need to show up to the clinic every once every once a week, you know, nobody really wants to do that. It’s very time consuming, it’s expensive. But let’s say you did dedicate three months or six months or eight months of your life, to this commitment, what happened and you did have a significant weight loss, let’s say you lost about 25, or 30, or 40 pounds, but you didn’t really change your habits. Well, then what happens when you stop when you stop, and if you didn’t change your habits, whatever weight you lost, obviously, it’s going to come back. So here, I don’t start ozempic.
Dr. Fayz 21:02
To guarantee some kind of a weight loss without lifting a finger. No, it’s done in conjunction with a healthy lifestyle with exercise program with a property with a proper eating routine. A lot of my patients were gonna actually have had gastric bypass surgeries or some type of a gastric sleeve bariatric surgery, and years later, they come back and the weight packs back on because those changes that because the habits weren’t broken, you know, they never exercised to begin with, which was, which was the reason why they became so obese in the first place before the surgery. And if they don’t continue to exercise, well, guess what other weights can come right back?
Regan Jones 21:43
What else? Do you think that people need to know when they’re considering whether or not this is a medication that they want to seek out from their doctor? And then also, I do want you to clarify, in your practice, you’re using this with people for weight loss. But you were saying that also people who have type two diabetes, they qualify for it as well. Is that correct?
Dr. Fayz 22:06
Yes. So people with type two diabetes, they do qualify for this. In fact, a lot of them actually should be on a GLP, one type of agonist which helps promote and utilize secrete, which kind of triggers the pancreas to insulin to release insulin and makes the body use it better. Okay. But like I said, the body needs to have insulin in the first place. So type one diabetics qualify. And another issue is something very rare, extremely rare, so rare that I’ve actually never seen it in 23 years of practice. Something called me on type two, which is multiple endocrine neoplasia, type two, and anybody who has thyroid nodules also do not qualify for for this weight loss program. So that’s not to be confused with with hypo thyroid have a birthday, right? A lot of patients coming into my office and they’re saying, Well, you know what? I hypo thyroid, I’m hyper thyroid, do I qualify? So the answer to that question is yes, just because if you have thyroid issues, where you have either hypothyroidism Thyroid Supplement, the short answer is yes, you do qualify
Regan Jones 23:21
in your clinic. I mean, obviously, people are coming to you, you’re prescribing it in your clinic, and we’re gonna give people information about where you’re located. But you know, I have listeners all over the country all over the world. What is your advice to people on how, you know, if they’re interested in this, they’re not living with diabetes? What is their best route to taking this?
Dr. Fayz 23:44
My advice is prevention. My advice is, take matters into control before it gets out of hand. A lot of patients have that are overweight, have a diaper of. So when we do something pleasurable, we dance or need or we eat, or we gamble, our body releases a hormone called dopamine. When dopamine is released in large spikes, there’s something called a nearest and metrical drop in dopamine, which means you don’t go below you don’t go down to baseline, you go below the baseline, the same amount of height that you went above, which means now you need a huge spike of dopamine just to feel normal. This is the basis of addiction. A lot of patients that are overweight have some type of addiction. So the idea is for them from my goal is to help educate them help let them understand not to have food control them, but they control food. Okay. Very,
Regan Jones 24:49
very good perspective. And I am curious, I’m just gonna have to ask you about this. Have you read the book dopamine nation? Yes, I have. Yeah. So what you just referenced I recently He picked up on in that book. And I’m not going to turn this interview into necessarily a discussion on that book. But I would highly recommend, based on what Dr. Fayz just said, I’d highly recommend the audience read that book, it gives you some amazing insights into not only the addictive properties, like Dr. Fayz was saying, you know, that food can be but other addictions like social media, porn, you know, obviously, alcohol and drugs, all the different things, but this regulation that he’s talking about where you actually do experience this huge drop, after a big dopamine hit was very, very insightful and enlightening to me. So I appreciate you bringing that up. Okay, well, so
Dr. Fayz 25:41
I agree. And Lemke has a lot of wonderful insight into what happens in our bodies. And I think if you really understand your body, if you understand yourself better, you’ll have a better grasp on what drives you what motivates you, including food.
Regan Jones 25:58
Yeah, yeah, very good perspective. So is there anything on Ozempic or weight loss and aesthetic procedures related to weight loss? Is there anything that I haven’t asked you about that you want the audience to know?
Dr. Fayz 26:10
Yes. So we also offer body contouring type of procedures, which helped tighten the skin and kind of like rejuvenate the areas where they lost significant amount of weight. This is something that we offer at the end of the weight loss program. So supposing you were on the program for three to four months, and you lost 35 or 40 pounds or what have you. But what happens to the all that extra skin that was stretched out, that’s not going anywhere. So we can help tighten that with our special radiofrequency devices. So that not only when you lose weight, and you feel great inside. But you know, your body also shows that
Regan Jones 26:50
as we wrap up here, could you let people know you know where you’re located, and then where they can find you online if they’re interested in knowing more.
Dr. Fayz 26:58
We are located in the heart of the Upper East Side, we are on 86th Street and Fifth Avenue. Our address is 10 49/5 Avenue suite one A, the clinic is called beso aesthetics, we’re in New York City. Come on in and check us out. We guarantee results to our program because we have a tremendous amount of specialists, we have a great team of people that are dedicated, we’d love to have you here.
Regan Jones 27:25
Thank you for that. And I’m gonna of course be as I do with every episode, be sure to place a link in the show notes to Dr Fayz and his practice so that you’ll be able to find him find more information and locate him especially if you are in that New York area. Dr. Fayz, thank you so much for joining me today. I really appreciate it.
Dr. Fayz
Thank you.
Regan Jones
Okay, that wraps up my interview with Dr. Fayz. There were like a couple of audio glitches here and there. And I had that was not too troubling to listen to. But you know, the way interviews go these days, sometimes the audio is super clean, and sometimes it’s not. And I think it’s always better to get the information out there to you and let you listen. Rather than withhold it based on the fact that it’s not as clean as I would like it to be no more conversation for me today about Olympic or Manjaro or we go V or this classification of drugs I said enough at the beginning. I’m just going to now take a very quick commercial break and then ask you to hang around for the odds and ends ending of today’s show.
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Odds & Ends Ending
okay in today’s odds and ends ending I previewed for you that I felt like that this segment actually could be entitled The permission to eat meat portion of the show. I didn’t tell you what the convert what the food was, but it is the permission to eat meat portion of the episode. And the reason that I wanted to drop this in today I have been thinking about doing an entire episode on this topic. After attending a conference where some really compelling information was shared. eared about some of the flawed research that’s been shared over the years. Some of the big landmark studies that have kind of pointed to increased disease risk based on meat consumption, and those are now I don’t necessarily love the term be debunked. But those are, in some ways being at least refuted by many, many experts in the field, that there’s been a lot made about health risks associated with eating meat, and kind of the demonization of meat from a health standpoint, and you’re seeing more and more people within the health community kind of have a consensus that meats been victimized in a way that it really didn’t deserve. But there’s also a portion or a conversation around meat consumption, based on production and environmental concerns, that maybe has been a little bit slower for the permission to be given. There’s been a lot of conversation about the impact meat production has on the environment. And I am certainly not going to ever put myself out there as being one of the leaders of the conversation of environmental topics. That’s not my expertise. And it’s frankly, not my hugest area of interest. We all have different areas of interest. And that is not one of my biggest ones. And I hope that’s not offensive to you if that’s something that you’re super passionate about. But I just have other things that I am more learned on. However, because I am someone who truly does believe what I said at the beginning of this episode, which is, we really, really need to do a better job of opening our ears to listen to other opinions, and dissenting opinions and all sides of a topic to best decide where we land on instead of lining up in this tribal formation where we just don’t want to hear anything else. Because I believe in that I want to give this in forget this information out there that was shared with me and let it be something that you consider if your meat consumption has been impacted based on your belief based on what’s been shared with you based on your belief that meat consumption is dooming the planet so to speak. So just this week in animal frontiers, which is the third most cited journal in the agriculture, dairy and animal science, space, guest editors and authors of nearly 1000 signatures have written a declaration warning that livestock systems are really ultimately too precious to society as a whole, to become the victim of what they call simplification and reductionism. Here’s a quote from one of the scientists, the peer reviewed evidence published today in this journal that I just mentioned, animal frontiers reaffirms that the most prominent global study, which claimed that the consumption of even tiny amounts of red meat harms health is fatally scientifically flawed and should be retracted. In fact, removing fresh meat and dairy from diets would actually harm human health, women, children, the elderly, and those of low income would be particularly negatively impact. So that’s really from mostly a health standpoint. Another quote from one of the researchers talks a little bit more about the importance of livestock in agriculture. And he says this, farmed and herded animals maintain a circular flow of materials and agriculture by using an upcycling large amounts of materials that humans cannot eat. And they turn them into high quality, nutrient dense foods. a one size fits all agenda, such as drastic reductions of livestock numbers, could incur environmental and nutritional consequences on a massive scale. Okay, two pretty impactful commentaries out of again, this peer review edition of animal frontiers. It is a publication that actually builds on a summit that was held in October of 2020, to the international summit on the societal role of meat that was held in Dublin, Ireland, you know, two pretty impactful pieces of commentary that dovetail with, again, what I was saying more and more of what I’m hearing in the scientific community, which is that the oversimplification of the notion that we should do away with all animal agriculture to save the planet, is that an oversimplification and that, in many ways, some of that notion is based on flawed data, and some of it does not take into consideration the ramifications and the impact long term in other parts of our ecosystem. That’s a really complex issue. And I acknowledge that. And here’s what I want to say, as is the case with virtually every episode on this podcast, I’m not trying to solve the world’s problems, I’m not trying to solve your problems, I am trying to sometimes solve my problems. But I am trying to give you information for you to make a determination about things in your life with as many facts as possible, and maybe sometimes a side of the story that you haven’t heard recently, or you haven’t heard as much about, I’m not telling you, if you’re someone who doesn’t eat meat, you need to be eating meat. What I am saying is that, for this particular update on the science, and the commentary from people who are learned and more expert in this space than I am, it is what I said at the beginning of this as an ending, perhaps, a permission to eat meat. I’ve heard from people that they feel guilty when they eat meat. And I just think that that guilt is likely very unwarranted. There’s a very large conversation we could have about regenerative agriculture and potentially improvements that can be made not only within the animal agriculture space, but also within the crop space. Those are big, big, heavy conversations that scientists who are much, much smarter than me are having on an ongoing basis. And I will bring those conversations here to you when I can. But for today’s episode, I did want to give you this critical update, because I think it is the part of the story that is not being talked about. And you deserve to have all sides of the conversation. Okay, a lot has been covered today. I know that the episodes come less frequently these days, but I hope that they’re still chock full of good information that you get a lot out of. And to that end, I would ask that if you enjoy this episode or other episodes, you do me a favor and you would share this episode with a friend it is the best way that people come to find out about the podcast. If you have feedback for me, you can always do that by going to this unmillennial life {dot} com clicking on that contact button or just send me an email Regan at this unmillennial life {dot} com. 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